Can't understand attack points

[Tigertiger55]

I can't get my head around attack points. I just had a PvP against a player with an attack 600 points less than me and a defence 300 lower. in line with the logic of this game I not only lost the battle and 1 gladiator but my overall attack dropped over 100 points. I decided to spend some hard earned honor points and buy 2 assassins. Checked my profile to find my attack had dropped another 15 points and my defence hadn't changed.
Is there any strategy to this game or is it just a fancy coin toss?

[P4TR1C14N]

Some facts:
- By 'definition', you can only win if your attack is stronger as his defence
- By 'definition', your attack value is the sum of the best attacking X units you can bring into battle
- By 'definition', the defence value you see on the profile of defender might still be bugged as in MW. You don't see the total value which is made up by the value you see in his profile * boost values (eg... by boost buildings)
- By 'definition', if you buy new attacking units which have a bigger attacking value as the weakest unit that you currently can bring into battle (attacking point of view), then you're attack value should increase. If not the case, it should remain the same. The increase depends on the difference of attack strength between the weakest attacking unit and your new stronger attacking unit.

So conclusion: By 'definition', it's a mathematical game where you can predict the outcome.

BUT i had it also a couple of times that I got attacked and lost while this couldn't be the case. My def for example was 2000 and the attacker has an attack value of 1500. Still i lost for some reason... I can only guess there is also some random 'luck' factor which can influence the outcome of your pvp fight.

[Tigertiger55]

Thanks for your reply. Your 'by definitions' make sense and that's how I assumed the game worked. However, it doesn't explain why the loss of one gladiator lost me 100 attack points and the addition of two assassins (by far among my strongest units) also lost me points.
Are we just talking about bugs here? I noticed that the quest to train 40 pikemen also lowered my attack points and buying expensive weaponry makes little or no difference to attack or defence. I've read here about only scavenged items showing in your best weapons and armour. So why spend at all?

[Njwmrb]

There is some chance involved in PVP I've attacked guys and won 4 in a row then they will get a lucky battle in and beat me. Also you neglected to factor in your heros army attack and army defense points (the ones you get 3 per level to spend).

As for your attack dropping after buying more troops I can only think of two possibilities;

1. An ally removed you
or
2. There is some lag time in your profile loading

[Freekizh]

There are hidden stats, such as defense skill points that you do not see. Added to that is the element of chance.

To eliminate chance, I usually attack at least twice when I lose the first one - nearly all my losses come from doing this. Sometimes I'm willing to lose 2 for every 1 win if the payoff is good.

If you wanna be sure, attack with a 20-25% margin of safety.

[The_Red]

"As for your attack dropping after buying more troops I can only think of two possibilities;"

Ive seen that as well. Ive purchased weapons and armor (just one piece now to check) and Ive seen my scores go down on both attack and defense which always puzzled me.

I too am curious as how these attack ones work. I for giggles tossed 3 points at my attack score. My A/D didn't change one iota.

[Njwmrb]

The attack points do not affect your presented attack and defense score. Its kept secret to add more strategy to the game.

[Futon]

The attack points do not affect your presented attack and defense score. Its kept secret to add more strategy to the game.

It should show the effects to yourself though, not to your enemies. It's kinda confusing to me.

[lkm]

One time, someone with att 9xxx won me with def 11xxx. No doubt in your case with only 300 more pts.

[Njwmrb]

It should show the effects to yourself though, not to your enemies. It's kinda confusing to me.

Yes they deffinately should explain the weight of effect the points have, it's hard to play a strategy game without knowing the parameters